Thursday, December 27, 2007

Granpa's Political Corner: To Obama or Not to Obama?

You had asked me to send you some impressions of Barack Obama. I think I should give you some thoughts not directly related that you might consider when going through my findings.

Consider the founders of this great nation. These men had relatively recently "escaped" from tyranny in their native land and they are faced with constructing a document, our Constitution, that will govern the new nation and establish guide lines for the development of the new nation. As you read their document you realize that while the individuals were from different backgrounds their one overriding consideration was for their new nation. The Declaration - We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed,--. The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the people of the several States, --. The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, for six years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

By forming a Union each State agreed to adopt the Constitution. Thus each State and every Citizen assumed the responsibility to see that the Constitution was the law of the land. In our stewardship we have failed miserably. It seems to me that the Constitution did not intend for a person to make a career of being a Representative or a Senator. Rather, I think, it intended for a Representative or Senator to serve their country to the best of their ability for a relatively short time then move on. We have allowed our elected officials to become entrenched in Congress where they have voted themselves pay and retirement packages. I don't think the Constitution intended this but through complacency we have allowed it to happen. There is, it seems to me, a movement away from what is best for the nation and toward what is best for that particular elected official, which may or may not be in the best interests of the nation. And we, the people, through neglect a nd apathy, have allowed it to come about.

As you might gather I have a pretty low opinion of the Presidency and Congress. Nonetheless I do not think any of the persons running for the office of President of the United States have the qualifications to become our president. Of course some of this is our fault.

Senator Barack Obama is a member of "Trinity United Church of Christ" ( On their "about us" page is the following. "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation.
we constantly affirm our trust in God and through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community."

At the Black Value System is presented.
Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee,---. (1981)
"Dr. Manford Byrd, our brother in Christ, withstood the ravage of being denied his earned ascension to the number one position in the Chicago School System. His dedication to the pursuit of excellence, despite systematic denials, has inspired the congregation of Trinity United Church of Christ. Prayerfully, we have called upon the wisdom of all past generations of suffering Blacks for guidance in fashioning an instrument of Black self-determination, the Black Value System."

"These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They consist of the following concepts:

1. COMMITMENT TO GOD. "The God of our weary years" will give us strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

2. COMMITMENT TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community.

3. COMMITMENT TO THE BLACK FAMILY. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society. Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate.

4. DEDICATION TO THE PURSUIT OF EDUCATION. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. "Real education" fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college.

5. DEDICATION TO THE PURSUIT OF EXCELLENCE. (discussion omitted for this presentation)

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Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the "talented tenth" of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor's control.
Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:
1. Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
2. Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill jails and prisons.
3. Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to wearn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of "we" and "they" instead of "us".
4. So, while it is permissible to chase "middleclassness" with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method - the psychological entrapment of Black "middleclassness". If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our "voluntary" contributions to methods A and B (I suppose this refers to 1 and 2 of the above). And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership,resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.




To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.

I know this is long but I think you should look at the evidence before you try to decide if there is any racial bias that might influence a member of that church. I sorta think that if this was a "white" church, perhaps in the south, the media would be screaming "racist, racist" or worse. Should these concepts be embraced by a candidate for the office of President of the United States?

Do you wonder why the Muslims go ape about their religion and have made no outcry about Obama becoming one of the infidels?

To make a long story short I would not vote for Obama, however, none of the other aspirants meet the test either.

Granpa Graham


Julie Bray said...

What is your opinion of Ron Paul?

Dusty Otwell said...

Oh my god, Laura...

Barack Obama is black. He's a member of a black church that fosters education and advancement of the black community. That someone could spin that into racial bias and alignment with Muslim extremists is beyond belief, and shows plainly that person's racial intolerance.

Sure, if a white church held similar concepts than the Trinity Church, that would be disturbing. But - news flash - whites are different than blacks. Women are different from men. Jews are different from Christians. And dogs are different from cats, and that is OK. Blacks are different in that, unlike whites, blacks had a long history of oppression in this country. Get over it and move on, you say? Fine - that's exactly what this church is trying to do. They are fostering education, hard work, and advancement in the black community in order to rise above their bleak history. And, in response, someone labels them as racist and in-line with terrorists? I hope people realize the hipocracy inherent in labeling Barack Obama and his church as "racist".

Barack Obama is a politician. He's a Christian. He's also black. I really hope your readers judge him based on his values, policies, and character without regard to his skin color and this posting that so obviously judges him on just that.

Cary said...

Yes, if any "white" church in the country was based on these concepts, all of the media would be up in arms. I am really tired of the media doing everything in their power to get an extreme liberal elected as president. It is totally about getting a particular party in office, not what is best for this country.
Granpa Graham, would you consider running for office?????

LG said...

Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, which can be based on whatever "facts" they wish. Personally, whether its PC or not I will never support someone who has such a strong Muslim background to be president of the USA. No matter what anyone says, race and religion are not gonna be separated from state when whomever takes office. His current church issue doesn't concern me at this time because I don't feel he is really a strong member of that church, I think that was more about his image but I will say this. YES GET OVER IT with the oppression thing. It sucks, it happened a long time ago and it is not my fault. People always want to be seen as equal or treated equally and if that is the case then why should anyone support such policies that are segregating the black community. we all need to be one - AMERICAN family. People shouldnt scream RACISIM, INTOLERANCE! and them plainly segregate themselves based in skin color.
That is what I think anyway. I also think that this is my blog and I can post whatever I want from whomever and its no biggie man. I don't base my friendships or respects for people on their political beliefs and I dont believe in censorship. Oh but let me say this too about ole Granpa. One of the problems with our generation, and this country, is the inability to appreciated the older generation who has "been there and done that" and our history. Granpa isn't just some opinionated old dude in Florida He has fought in wars, and lived a long time so life experience has molded his opinions.

AS far as Ron Paul, the ONLY thing I know about that dude is he commits a huge sin in the book of LCG b/c he posts those signs all on the side of the road! I HATE that. Granpa who is Ron Paul? maybe you can cover him next week!

Dusty Otwell said...

Yes, you're right. This is your blog and you can post whatever you want. But you must be prepared for the consequences of what you post, like alternative points of view.

I'm glad you think that I am entitled to my opinion. You obviously think I am wrong, but you fail to point out why I am wrong. You place my facts in quotes, but you don't point out how the are false. Are they false? How are my "facts" any different than yours?

Rather, you launch into completely irrelevant arguements. Like how black people should "get over it" and how your grandpa fought in wars. Fighting in a war earns you well-deserved respect for what you have done. It does not automatically make you right when you make a shocking political statement. John Kerry fought in wars. He's lived a long time and life molded his opinions. Does that make him right? Did you vote for him or for George W. Bush, the one who did not fight in a war?

The policies of the church at issue are not policies of segregation! They are policies of advancement. At no time do these policies call on black people to segregate themselves from their overall community. I am a member of a fraternity and you're a member of a sorority with the goal of advancement of its members interests. That does not mean that we are to segregate ourselves from those who are not in our fraternity or sorority. That is a gross distortion of our organization's goals, just as you are distorting this church's goals.

I understand your view that we should forget about race and be one big family. But Laura that's just not realistic. Black people and white people are very different (see every black comedian's stand-up routine). Therefore, we choose to spend time with members of our own race. I wouldn't be comfortable at a black church because that's not my culture, just like a black person would not be comfortable at my church because it is not his culture. It is OK to be different and it is OK to choose to hang out with members of your own race and culture. We do that already, we just don't admit it. What's not OK, in my opinion, is to judge and disapprove of other racial cultures because they are different.

And who is screaming "racism, intolerance!" This church is? Where? No, they are saying that they were persecuted in the past (as recently as 30 years ago). And they're still kind of struggling. So they're going to support each other to overcome. How, how, how does that mean what you say it means?

I do respect two of your arguments: that Barack Obama became a Christian for the image of it, and you won't vote for him because of his Muslim background. I just think you are wrong. I believe he is genuine. Obama has been a member of his church since the mid-1980s. In contrast, George W. Bush converted to evangelical Christianity at the same time he decided to run for President. You tell me who seems more genuine. Also, Barack Obama grew up in various location throughout the world. While living in Indonesia, he went to Catholic school for a couple years, then a school attended by mostly Muslims for another couple years . But Indonesia itself is a mostly Muslim country! And yes Obama's father was born a Muslim, but he never practiced the religion. So let me get this straight, you will not accept Barack Obama because he went to school with some Muslims and his father was born a Muslim. You dislike him not because of his character, but because of these things he cannot change. Don't you see the hipocrocy? Radical muslims don't like you because of things you cannot change. They are intolerant. Are you not also?

I'm glad you don't believe in censorship, but I don't quite understand how that's relevant. My alternative view is not "censorship". It's just an alternative point of view. Censorship is when authority silences a point of view. So the only way we could have censorship here is if you silence my alternative point of view.

Laura I don't base our friendship on politics. I would vote for Barack Obama or Mike Huckabee, but that doesn't mean I don't like people who'd vote for Hillary Clinton or John McCain. And I certainly didn't mean that I no longer like you because you hold different beliefs. I still love you. BUT if you post something on your blog that offends me, I will be offended, and because I respect you, I will tell you that you offended me and why.

Jessica Chapman said...

IMHO, I look to, and depend on, the grizas blog for daily funny pictures of yorkies, and fabulous iphone accessories. Thank you so much for those type of posts, and keep them coming :)

grizaham said...

woah! Why are politics, religion & college football such touchy subjects. I strongly dislike any politicians esp if they are all about "black power." obama strongly resembles nicolae carpathia from the "left behind" series. Now that's scary!
In more important news, the preds head coach barry trotz won his 300th game last night! Go preds

Marty said...

Note to LCG, political diatribes amongst the closest of peers can evoke too much cognitive dissonance. There's a great site for political blogging: I look fwd to stories about Ralphie sh!tt!ng in your new back yard.

Mike said...

Thanks for your input. Opinions are just opinions, but facts are facts. Two things are killing this country, ignorance and apathy. Thanks to your research, we can not claim ignorance on this subject. Apathy, well, who knows.

Kyle said...

A little late on this one. I heard that Barack Obama will not participate in the saying of the pledge of allegiance when given the opportunity. If he won't even pledge allegiance to the flag of the country he so badly wants to lead, then how can I expect him to lead our country forward. For that reason alone, I will not vote for him. Good day.

Marshall said...

Is Obama's church a church or a political entity? No mention of the ethics or teachings of Christ in the whole "Black Ethic".. curious

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